[jmowbray]

Well a couple weeks ago I made some adjustments to my fog chiller. These past couple of years have been fine but I felt like something needed to change. Here is a video of the update (a cheap black trash bag on he output. You be the judge.

Sorry the videos wont load. I will get link when I get home.

 

[jmowbray]

ok here's the updated video:

 

[Therewolf]

Looks awesome. Seems like the bag really keeps the fog down and spread out. I am building my first chiller this year, I may add the bag. Thanks so much

 

[Machiavellian]

jmowbray could you post a few pictures of the inside of your cooler? I built one a few years ago and couldn't seem to get the desired effect. Yours looks absolutely awesome. I want to get the same effect your getting in the video.

 

[jmowbray]

Sure thing:

 

[Machiavellian]

Perfect Thank you very much. Looks great. I ran a dryer duct coiled around in mine. I ended up putting frozen water bottles in the tube and filled the chest with Ice worked ok but nothing like the effect you are getting. definitely going to rework mine and push the fog through the ice instead.

 

[andjarnic]

I think the individual pieces of ice work much better than water bottles or other methods due to much more of the fog touching all the different ice pieces and cooling. I usually use dry ice myself if its not raining... but it is expensive.. 50 bucks or so for enough dry ice for both my chillers. I wish I had an ice machine to make a much larger quantity of ice! I also read somewhere else that slat + ice makes it colder?

 

[jmowbray]

I think the individual pieces of ice work much better than water bottles or other methods due to much more of the fog touching all the different ice pieces and cooling. I usually use dry ice myself if its not raining... but it is expensive.. 50 bucks or so for enough dry ice for both my chillers. I wish I had an ice machine to make a much larger quantity of ice! I also read somewhere else that slat + ice makes it colder?

Is that slate? As in the rock?

 

[cubedgame]

I think the individual pieces of ice work much better than water bottles or other methods due to much more of the fog touching all the different ice pieces and cooling. I usually use dry ice myself if its not raining... but it is expensive.. 50 bucks or so for enough dry ice for both my chillers. I wish I had an ice machine to make a much larger quantity of ice! I also read somewhere else that slat + ice makes it colder?

You can use the same salt they use to melt ice on roads to melt the ice which will lower its temperature. I've tried it, but I personally don't think it's worth the hassle. Because your ice melts faster, you have to add more ice to the cooler more often!

 

[jmowbray]

Oh salt. Got it. It would also kill my lawn when I dump the ice at niggt

 

[Therewolf]

I just made my first try at a fog chiller.. EASIEST BUILD EVER! I chose to use the Styrofoam cooler and a smaller 400W fogger

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The fogger is small enough to sit on the lid of the cooler so a simple 2" PVC elbow and a 5" section of 2" PVC and my inlet was done, about 5 minutes. For the output I tried some old Pool hoses I had lying around. At only 1-1/2 inches I am finding it is too small to allow the proper flow and a lot of the fog is backing up or leaking out of the cooler. I need to go bigger, or add multiple outlets. I do need to add a screen or false bottom so the fog can make it to the outlet uninhibited. but for a 10 minute build it works well. Just a few minor tune ups and it will be ready to go. I need to get a few more coolers as I have about 6 foggers and I want to cool 4 of them. Thanks to everyone for all the pictures and ideas. Such an easy project for a major effect change.

 

[andjarnic]

@Therewolf looks good. The main reason for the wire with ice on it, and bottom area is to allow for fog expansion when it first comes out of the fog machine. You can also use a venturi pvc input (https://www.google.com/search?q=ven...venturi+pvc+fog+machine&imgrc=wfO_QGgxwBHXkM:) so that you can suck more air in from the 2nd inlet. But you will still need the expansion area. Also, like you said, if the area is too small, more outlets may help.

The idea is you blast the hot fog in to the bottom expansion chamber.. and as it is still pretty hot it rises up through the ice and then the outlet facing up in the chiller draws in the now chilled fog to the output. There was some question a few years ago if the top needed some chamber space as well, I dont think it hurts but I suspect too big of a top chamber would allow a lot of the fog to float around more so then forced out the top output opening.

One other thing.. if you can, put some rubber around the lid to seal it. It will be much harder with a foam lid, but with the fogger on top pressing down, and a rubber seal around the entire lid, you should be able to force more fog out the top opening rather than leaking out the sides. Also if you havent already, use some sealant, or calking, around the pvc/tubes anywhere they are coming through the foam. I used some stuff one time that ate the foam.. forget what it was.. so make sure it wont ruin the foam when you put it around the tubes. Ideally you want the inside completely sealed so that the chilled fog has only one way out.

Look forward to a video when you get it all done.

 

[wackychimp]

Love the bag on the end. I'll definitely use that this year on mine.

thanks for the idea!

 

[DaveintheGrave]

Yea, thanks for the idea. You're sure putting out a lot of fog!

Looks great!

 

[jmowbray]

The idea is you blast the hot fog in to the bottom expansion chamber.. and as it is still pretty hot it rises up through the ice and then the outlet facing up in the chiller draws in the now chilled fog to the output. There was some question a few years ago if the top needed some chamber space as well, I dont think it hurts but I suspect too big of a top chamber would allow a lot of the fog to float around more so then forced out the top output opening.

Ok I'm confused. Mine works like this:

-fog machine shoots fog into inlet which curves around and enters the bottom of the cooler and then points up directly at the lid. The fog comes in contact with the cold air and sinks through the ice (also the pressure from the incoming fog pushes it though the path of least resistance which is the output hose). It "chills" further in the area under the ice and flows out of the hose.

 

[annamarykahn]

instead of making individual ice cubes ... pain in the @55 even if you have an ice maker in your fridge and you put the resultant cubes into a deep freezer ... you can freeze plastic bottles ... when you need them, throw them against a concrete sidewalk to crack the large chunk of ice into smaller chunks ... then cut the plastic bottle off of the ice ... no not as effective as individual cubes, but certainly less expensive ... and a lot of fun smashing the bottles ... gr8 stress reliever, lol!

amk

 

[andjarnic]

@jmowbray I am trying to picture your chiller. You said it comes in at the bottom and points up to the top. Does the pipe go all the way to the top so that the fog comes out at the top and spills over and then down through the ice? Or does the tube face up but stop near the bottom, pushing the fog through the ice (from the bottom going up to the top), and if that is the case, where is the outlet? Maybe add a picture if you can?

The thing is.. you want an expansion area for the fog that just came out of the fogger to expand. By having that area, it gives the fog more density before it comes in contact with the ice. If you push it through the ice right away, before it has had time to expand with air, you'll lose some of that to.. I forget the right word.. basically some of the fog turns back in to the fog fluid, and thus you are losing fog volume and potentially density as well without the area to expand.

It doesnt mean you are doing it wrong. Just having followed the designs since the late 90s until now, it seems the most effective route, is for fog to have the ability to expand a bit before it comes in contact with the ice so that its denser.

The other thing that is good which I didnt do with my chillers but may do one day.. is consider that the more room the fog has that its not contacting ice inside, the more likely it will lose some of its density.. er.. or something like that. In other words, you want the fog to expand, hit ice and billow out of the outlet.. not float around above the ice. for a bit before it finds it's way out. I built the design where it comes in at the bottom, has expansion area.. ice sits on a rack above the expansion area.. the fog, being hot.. rises up through the ice, and then the outlet is facing up towards the top, and L loops back out the other side, so the fog that rose up through the ice now goes out the L tube that has an opening near the top. The problem with this design I think is that there is an expansive area above the ice (to the top of the lid) that may cause me to lose some fog potential as well. However, this seems to be the same or similar design that some of the commercial fog chillers for like $120 or so follow, so maybe I am misunderstanding the chilled fog flow.. does it all migrate to the opening at the top efficiently, or does some of it linger around for a bit, warming up and just interfering with the flow of the fog? That I am not entirely sure of.

I think honestly the best fog chiller I had was a long corrugated tube of 3" size (broke the 4" rule though) and drilled little holes along the way. I packed it with ice and dry ice, and the fog came out perfect. No cooler, etc.. just fog blowing in to this long 12 foot length full of ice/dry ice. There are problem with it too though. The ice melted pretty fast and had water in the tube for some time, which I am sure affected the fog output after a while. Not only was it not as cold, it was taking up room.. and I also wonder if the corrugated material affect fog flow. Plus, if any wind kicked up, it was impossible to reposition because it was so long and had output all over the place. Anyway.. initially it worked great, and I only needed it for a couple hours anyway.. most kids come between 6 and 8pm on school nights anyway.

Amazing the time, money and work we put in to a couple hours of kids coming around.

 

[jmowbray]

@jmowbray I am trying to picture your chiller. You said it comes in at the bottom and points up to the top. Does the pipe go all the way to the top so that the fog comes out at the top and spills over and then down through the ice? Or does the tube face up but stop near the bottom, pushing the fog through the ice (from the bottom going up to the top), and if that is the case, where is the outlet? Maybe add a picture if you can?

You are corect. The vertical section comes almost completely to the top. Not all the way as the lid is there but within 3 inches. The fog then hits the lid and spreads over the area of the cooler. It then has about a 4-5 inch areaof just air but below that is another 4-5 inches of ice with a 3-4 inch settling area where it then runs out.