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has anyone tried this? Like disassembling say a chest freezer and using the refrigeration system as a chiller? I've been looking around on craigslist and classifieds ever since I came up with this idea a few days ago and found several freezers for insanely cheap

I know it will be some work but refilling ice gets tired and messy (and looks amateur), ice melts, dry ice is too pricey to go all nite, and ice only cools the fog to 32F whereas freezer coils would get it a bit cooler. In the end I would think if I could build a self-contained, reuseable contraption I would feel alot better about it

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Too complicated and not worth the trouble as yardjunkie posted in another post about making a elaborate chiller when the wind blows its not worth the trouble. Easiest and cheapest thing to do is a straight through design. Easiest is usually the best and i have been using the same design for years now and it works like a charm and very easy. Cooler 3inch duct fittings on either end and screen so the ice doesnt fall out. Fill it up and your set. No need for all those bends angles and what not. and the ice doesnt melt on me after 4 hours so......But its your choice :)
 

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OH! and we have enough plugs and cords out there to begin with right? So less is more less trip hazards. SAFETY FIRST! :)
 

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I have to agree with toetag.

Unless you have a degree in air conditioning or refrigeration, I wouldn't even attempt it. Maybe you could create some sort of "chute" that ice could fall down from. (talk to your local movie theatre......They have Ice like you wouldn't believe!!! Or even your local Mc. Donalds. They have lots of ice too!)

Ice melts, no matter what you keep it in. Large places that need alot of ice need NEW ice. (you don't want some Week Old ice in your drink...) Ask them if they have extra ice and see if they would give it to you if you stop by and pick it up. Maybe shop around for some extra "coolers" to keep it in.

I wouldn't mess with any type of refrigeration just for a haunt, unless you were an expert. There is free ice out there if you know the right people.
 

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I think I read somewhere that the pump for freezers aren't strong enough to cool down hot fog fast enough to really work. I think you need something more along the lines of an air conditioner pump and coils. But that's if you want to build it. I would do what Toetag said, and keep it simple.
 

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Oh, these guys aren't sounding very helpful, or supportive. I say go for it, if it doesn't work, throw it to the curb. Of course you want to do some research on the freezer, so when hacking in to it you don't rupture coolant lines and send refrigerant into the water supply. My one other thought is that Ice cream salt cools the melting point of ice to 2 degrees, or something to that affect. Hey, if no one tries it, how can we tell you it won't work. Just have fun doing it, that's what counts!
 

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I agree, go for it. Maybe use it along with ice to slow the melting. Don't use the salt though. It actually lowers the freezing point. So ice will melt at temperatures that would normally freeze water. That's why people put it onto the sidewalks and streets in winter.
 

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I noticed I was referenced in this thread and wanted to clarify. I think that building stuff yourself is a great idea. However I get 3 or 4 fridges and freezers that work a week for FREE (people actually pay me to haul them away). I thought about doing this and it would have cost me nothing. However no matter how great I made it, there would be no gain in overall effect. You can make chilled fog that hangs on the ground using ice and a bucket, the catch is you need an environment that is ideal. If you put it outside there is a high likelihood that people walking by will be enough to stir it up, not to mention slight breezes and wind. If the fogger is going to be inside, then a refrigerated fogger would be cool. But, why go to the trouble and expense when a bucket and ice works almost as good?

Plus most people will use this once a year. Does changing ice a few times a night really kill you that much that you need to go all the trouble of tearing apart a fridge? Plus most likely you would need to take apart the tubing to put it in a fog chiller. If you did this you would have to have it filled again with Freon. And if you were to leave the freezer whole and use that as your fog chiller, be careful because if you cut a whole for the fog to come in you might puncture the tubing for the refrigerant. If you do that your freezer is useless and you would need to get it filled with Freon anyways.

I don't mean not to be supportive, I say go for it. I just was trying to impart some constructive criticism. I know most people don't have the the time and money to spend on something that is not really going to be effective. I am one of those people. However if you have the time and money then it might be worth it. If you have the money then you might want to look at already assembled fog chillers.
 

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Seems like more trouble than it's worth. If you have that much time, energy and inclination put it towards something more productive than keeping your fog cool. Just my three cents.
 

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Oh, these guys aren't sounding very helpful, or supportive. I say go for it, if it doesn't work, throw it to the curb. Of course you want to do some research on the freezer, so when hacking in to it you don't rupture coolant lines and send refrigerant into the water supply. My one other thought is that Ice cream salt cools the melting point of ice to 2 degrees, or something to that affect. Hey, if no one tries it, how can we tell you it won't work. Just have fun doing it, that's what counts!
I support my fellow haunters with advice that saves time, money and aggravation. I see nothing "fun" about wasting the first two, while increasing the third. I also support good ideas, and I'll point out quickly when it's a bad one. Hacking a freezer for a fog chiller is a complete waste of time unless you haunt for more than one night a year. If you have pro haunt, or one for charity it might make sense, but I heard nothing along the lines of that implementation.
 

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Ok another thing is your not going to be able to buy freon without a license anyway and i dont know of anyone that would even refill after you took apart b/c the first question they are going to ask is what did you use to capture the freon or vent the freon into the air and thats a whole new can of worms you do not want to open.
 

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Ok another thing is your not going to be able to buy freon without a license anyway and i dont know of anyone that would even refill after you took apart b/c the first question they are going to ask is what did you use to capture the freon or vent the freon into the air and thats a whole new can of worms you do not want to open.
There is a guy in Newport Beach California (well actually Balboa Island CA) that bought two freezer pumps and then had them filled with Freon. So I think that they will do it for you. He created a form in the shape of a snowman and wrapped it entirely in copper tubing then hooked up the freezer pumps. He then sprayed it down with water and had a real snowman in 80 degree weather. Now talk about a waste of time and money. But, hey it got him on national television. :)
 

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I treid a fridge/freezer. I cut a hole in the top, added an elbow and fog machine. Then, cut another hole at the lower edge of the freezer section. The fog would come in the top and exit the bottom.
It worked kind of O'K. I believe the fan setup in the freezer was blowing the fog around inside, so it lost alot of its magnitude.

All said and done. I threw out the fridge and scrapped the idea.
I believe I still have the video. I'll try to find it and post it with pics.

P.S. I'm looking for volunteers for helping in our haunted barn during October.
 

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Had this thought and not sure if it would work for you or not .
After you remove the coils and all from the freezer/frige , take the coil and stretch it out and have it run , stretched out/straightened out inside a length of PCV pipe ( say , something like 2 inch ) , and remove the defrost heater from the unit . Allow the coils to frost over and freeze over and this is what the fog would come in contact with and use to cool it off. Keep the PVC small , so as to allow as much of the fog to touche the coil as possible , cooling it down .
 

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thx for the replies all

general consensus seems to be that it would be too much work for not enough reward. I kinda figured as much, but I've always been a tinkerer. Hence why I come up with ideas like this. So bottom line here is I dunno- I might end up building this and maybe not. If I do, I'll be sure to do at least a quick write up on it

as far as refrigerant goes, it all depends on what grade it is. R134 is the type in most late-model automotive systems and it commonly available. R12 is the older type, is much more expensive and harder to get due all of the restrictions & regulations placed on it after the push to get rid of CFCs. There are countless different types of refrigerants- R22, 508, etc etc. All different characteristics for different systems.

I actually considered running the refrigerant through a radiator or turbo intercooler, but I figured the fog wouldn't be in contact with the cooling surface long enough. A coil-lined tube as mentioned above was more kind of what I was thinking
 

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well actually, if you really want to go there with it, I probably have a better idea- get a small dorm-sized freezer with the built in automatic ice maker. Rig the unit so that it will fill up the entire freezer with ice before turning off, and turn that into your diy chiller. Automatic refills of ice in your chiller. Eh? Eh?
 

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It can be done

Jems Glaciator is nothing more than a mini freezer and fog machine, we have one and took it apart the day we got it just see what made it tick.
NOT WORTH 13K:mad:
Also somewhere in the halloween forum someone posted that froggys fog has done the same but on a much smaller scale for under a grand.
It's would be childs play to take a mini fridge / freezer and use a hopped up constant fogger and chill the fog.
It will work as long as you know how to transfer temperatures.
As long as you got a small fridge nothing more than 2.5cubic ft you should be ok as far as not blowing breakers.
Our glaciator has to have it's own 40amp breaker where ever you plug it in because a fogger and mini fridge draw some serious friggin wattage.
If.........If im feeling frisky next month I may run up to big box or walwart and grab a fridge and slice and dice the thing just to show you kiddies it can be done.
Even the $12K Glaciator from Jem has to be turned on for 15 to 20 minutes depending on the ambient temp before you go pushing fog, WHY?
Becuase the freezer plate inside has to get ice cold first not to mention the fogger inside has to heat up as well.
You wouldnt have to have coolant for the fridge, if your handy with a sawzaw then you can cut the cooler out of the fridge, it's all about how far are you willing to go.
Even I would have to think about this one just to prove a point.:cool:
 

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Jems Glaciator is nothing more than a mini freezer and fog machine, we have one and took it apart the day we got it just see what made it tick.
NOT WORTH 13K:mad:
Also somewhere in the halloween forum someone posted that froggys fog has done the same but on a much smaller scale for under a grand.
It's would be childs play to take a mini fridge / freezer and use a hopped up constant fogger and chill the fog.
It will work as long as you know how to transfer temperatures.
As long as you got a small fridge nothing more than 2.5cubic ft you should be ok as far as not blowing breakers.
Our glaciator has to have it's own 40amp breaker where ever you plug it in because a fogger and mini fridge draw some serious friggin wattage.
If.........If im feeling frisky next month I may run up to big box or walwart and grab a fridge and slice and dice the thing just to show you kiddies it can be done.
Even the $12K Glaciator from Jem has to be turned on for 15 to 20 minutes depending on the ambient temp before you go pushing fog, WHY?
Becuase the freezer plate inside has to get ice cold first not to mention the fogger inside has to heat up as well.
You wouldnt have to have coolant for the fridge, if your handy with a sawzaw then you can cut the cooler out of the fridge, it's all about how far are you willing to go.
Even I would have to think about this one just to prove a point.:cool:
I would like to see it done as well, for experimentational sake. No one said it couldn't be done, but whether it should be done. For one night on Halloween I wouldn't do it. For the sake of doing it as an experiment, sure!
 
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