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I've just about finished my first build for next year! I made this guy using designs and advice from several forum members to create a completely "frameless" cauldron creep. It is a full pose n stay skelly that stands on it's own two legs with no visible framework other than the base it mounts to, which is mostly covered by the cauldron and coals to counterbalance the skelly. Thick all-thread in the legs and a piece of emt conduit in the spine provide all the support. I took the idea of having bones in the cauldron to keep it from looking empty and hide the mechinism from Daveinthegrave and Rabbit101 and ran with it. I made a small wire screen platform attached to a second post on the arm off the cauldron motor, then screwed and glued bones together like a puzzle to completely cover the opening, yet leave room for the stick to move. The only bone that is not fixed in place is the 1/2 skull, which just sits on top of the attachment bolt so that I will be able to easily access the bolt to remove the bones If I need to. I really like how the cauldron looks with the bones covering the motor.

A photo of the creep while I was working on him...



Upright and standing on his own!



And a video of it in his current state...


Only thing left to do to wrap up this project and store it away for next year is to re-route all the wiring to conceal it, and a little bit of finishing detail.
 

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Everything about this Creep is fantastic . The combination of those Creeps made before you (always nice to see credit given to the influences) and your creative touches truly makes this unique . The lighting under the rotating bones creates a beautiful break up effect on the face and body . This makes me want to build one myself , great inspiration .Nicely done Nightfisher .
 

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I'll try and remember to get some pics of how the bones are attached tomorrow while i'm cleaning up my workshop. It's really simple, but a bit tedious to assemble. I used almost an entire bag of bones, 80% of a small 2ft skelly taken apart, and some misc small bones that used to be some kind of Halloween jewelry. It created a lot of nice natural looking variation in size and color by using three sources of bones. Best way to describe how I assembled the bones together is like a puzzle that moves. The skull just sits there covering the bolt that holds the mesh to the post. All I have to do to get to the bolt is pick up the skull. The first few bones I screwed to the screen before attaching it. I chose long bones first and mounted each one with one screw underneath so that I could pivot them once the screen was attached to the cauldron and get them how I wanted with no rubbing. These three or four bones support most of the other bones that hang off the edge of the screen. I wanted to use as small of a piece of hardware screen as I could get away with to give it that floating effect without visible support. After getting those first few bones secured and the screen attached to the cauldron I began the process of gluing and screwing down bones one at a time. I had to watch it rotate, decide on placement of the next bone, stop it, glue the bone in, start it back up to verify there was no rubbing or interference with the stick, then watch it again to figure out where the next one went. I actually had to do it twice because the first time I just used hot glue and the bones popped off easily. Second time around I used small screws along with the hot glue to create anchor points that locked everything together.
 

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Your cauldron creep looks FANTASTIC, Nighfisher! The movement of everything looks really smooth, the stirring, the head movement and the rotating bones.
Thanks for the shout-out on the rotating bones idea. I'm glad I could inspire someone.
Awesome job !
I'm wanting to re-do my creep that I made in 2012. I didn't even use him in my display this year. I put out my Stirring Witch instead.
 

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Nightfisher - thanks for the mini tut on the bones. That is such a cool effect
DaveintheGrave - could you redirect us back to your how-to?
I've got to get one of these cauldrons going, and I'm gonna need all the help I can get!
thanks guys!
HM
 

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Thanks, Dave! After seeing the extra videos where you took it apart to show someone else, I think I get it. I love your work. Always inspired to try something else when I see what you do.
 

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Yeah that is really good!!!...jaw dropping!

I cant quite envision how the bones in the cauldron are rotating. I get the illusion, bones on hardware cloth, but how did you attach it to the wiper motor....or whatever spins the bone soup around...

I would think that the weight of the bones would make the hardware cloth sag...

Do tell!!
 

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Wow! I never started on mine as I just simply had too much going on and too little time before Halloween. I have Dave's creep bookmarked and will bookmark this one as well to help me along. :D
 

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I cant quite envision how the bones in the cauldron are rotating. I get the illusion, bones on hardware cloth, but how did you attach it to the wiper motor....or whatever spins the bone soup around...

I would think that the weight of the bones would make the hardware cloth sag...

Do tell!!
I'm not sure exactly how Nightfisher constructed his rotating bone platform, but I think his is made of plexiglass like mine. I used the old vent motor in my cauldron so all I did was screw a long bolt through my motor crank into the motor shaft with a nut and lock washer tightened up against the crank. Beforehand, I mounted the round plexiglass piece at the top of the same bolt, with a flat washer under the plexi, a nut a lock washer and another nut. Those nuts aren't tightened all the way against the plexi so it can freely spin.
Then, as the crank rotates, the stick just pulls the plexiglass around with it.

I also sanded one side of my plexi to help diffuse the green Xmas lights in the cauldron.

I'm no expert on building a cauldron creep, but feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
 

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Here is a pic of How I did mine...



Where you see the bolt and washer there is a piece of all-thread that runs down to to arm attached to the motor. I made the arm long to allow me to attach this post off center. Here is a pic of the empty cauldron...



The support post is attached at just about the point that the word "PVC" is on the motor arm. I used a smallish piece of hardware cloth on top and attached the first few long bones with screws to the screen as well as to each other to create a rigid platform to start from. I took care to create an open space over the mounting area that the skull I cut in half would fit snugly into to cover the bolt, but allow easy access to the bolt. The screws and washers are all underneath out of view. Once that was done and attached. It was just a matter of using screws, drilled holes, and hot glue to add more bones and fill it all in. My technique was to line up bones where I wanted, mark points of contact with a pencil, then at these points drill a small hole in the bone that would be under, and put a small screw into the bone that would be over the other. I put a generous dab of hot glue into the hole, then stuck the protruding screw head from the other bone into it and held in place till set. This created a good solid anchor between the two bones. I tried it before with just glue and the bones would just pop apart when pried a little. Using the hole/screw/hot glue method allowed mt top have bones just hang off into empty air and create bridges, place some vertically, and some at other odd angles instead of just on a flat plane. It was a tedious process of watching it go around, choosing where to place a bone, stopping it and attaching the bone, start it up again to check for stick clearance and cauldron rubbing rubbing, then pick a place for the next bone. I even glued a few to the motor arm underneath to add depth. Came out really good, way better than I expected.
 

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Question on your head movement. I can't tell from reading, did you connect the head motor to your spine as stated earlier or in another post? If so, how is the linkage working? From looking at the first pic in this post it looks like you have the standard cal creep 2 post PVC running up the back of yours into what becomes the hump? Did you change this? I can't comprehend how to get movement of the head if you are only running the frame up the spine. Maybe you could post a pic of the head mech naked so we could see? Thanks
 
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