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I am creating a room to use for photography and video. I want the illusion of the background to look like a I am in the middle of a realistic looking zombie apocalypse that is outdoors. The completed pictures and video should have at least the illusion of being three-dimensional.

I pretty much have to build a one room set in a small 12x12 room. My budget is small.

I am looking for any and all solutions for this project. Some would build a complete set while others would project a computer generated background and use just a few objects in the foreground. Some would use scene setters. Others would use a green screen.

How would you build this set? Are there low-cost solutions for this?
 

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I think we need more details. Do you want inside or outside view? Are there going to be actors in make-up or will they be static prop or cutouts. Are you looking for realism or cartoony? The more details you give the better answers you will get.
 

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I am looking for a realistic outside view. (Thanks. I will update description).
I think we need more details. Do you want inside or outside view? Are there going to be actors in make-up or will they be static prop or cutouts. Are you looking for realism or cartoony? The more details you give the better answers you will get.
 

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Think something along these lines will be your best bet:

http://www.fakebelieve.net/2011/monster-hunter-making-a-swamp-set/

But they do a fair bit of digital manipulation post production as well:

http://www.fakebelieve.net/2011/monster-hunter-keepin-it-realish/

So, build the foreground of the set, and digitally add the background. Unless you get a real artist to paint you a backdrop, like they do for stage and TV.



Throwing video becomes problematic as you really need some foreground pieces to sell the whole 3d element to it. Not to mention at 12 ft, you'd need a short throw projector which could get pricey. Most video used in that fashion is rear projected, and you just don't have the space you need for that.
 

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Very impressive stuff.

There are so many possibilities including some that I do not know. There are so many possible solutions. For instance another option is there are some 100% green screen solutions where the software can place 3D elements in front of a person. I had used something like this back around 2004 with amazing results but do not remember the name of the software.

I wish that I would have purchased some of the displays from my local Spirit Halloween this year. Some of those displays would probably work too.


Think something along these lines will be your best bet:

http://www.fakebelieve.net/2011/monster-hunter-making-a-swamp-set/

But they do a fair bit of digital manipulation post production as well:

http://www.fakebelieve.net/2011/monster-hunter-keepin-it-realish/

So, build the foreground of the set, and digitally add the background. Unless you get a real artist to paint you a backdrop, like they do for stage and TV.



Throwing video becomes problematic as you really need some foreground pieces to sell the whole 3d element to it. Not to mention at 12 ft, you'd need a short throw projector which could get pricey. Most video used in that fashion is rear projected, and you just don't have the space you need for that.
 

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I've seen some quick and dirty green screen stuff in action, (kids doing fake weather reports, stuff like that at the local museum) but really don't know a whole lot about digital manipulation in general. I can barely use photoshop enough to resize and convert my pics from raw properly. Even green screen, though, I'd think you'd wan to film the scene you're digitally inserting into your, um, other scene? The less CGI the better, IMO.


Has to be asked, too...don't suppose you could go miniature for what you're doing? Build a miniature set, film, and digitally insert it via green screen?
 

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Hey,

Here's some digital backgrounds for some zombie themes that look like they have potential.
http://fantasybackgroundsstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=338

Not sure if these could work to have printed or projected. Some decent backgrounds and some not so decent (lolipop chainsaw zombie cheerleader and zombie stripper poster = not good)
http://www.wallpaperpin.com/search/?q=zombie

Here's a few studio backdrops with some outdoor architectural scenes which have different sizes available. I kinda like the PC980 concrete wall with the exposed brick.
http://www.backdropoutlet.com/ARCHITECTURE/products/1316/0/1

Good luck with your project.
 

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I'd go with green screen. Remember that interactive objects (steps, platforms, etc.) in the foreground can also be greened. The toughest part is getting the lighting right and watching for green reflections that will give away the effect. These most often appear as matte lines around the real 3-D objects that catch a bit of green reflected back around the edges of people and objects.
 

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Hey,

Here's some digital backgrounds for some zombie themes that look like they have potential.
http://fantasybackgroundsstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=338

Not sure if these could work to have printed or projected. Some decent backgrounds and some not so decent (lolipop chainsaw zombie cheerleader and zombie stripper poster = not good)
http://www.wallpaperpin.com/search/?q=zombie

Here's a few studio backdrops with some outdoor architectural scenes which have different sizes available. I kinda like the PC980 concrete wall with the exposed brick.
http://www.backdropoutlet.com/ARCHITECTURE/products/1316/0/1

Good luck with your project.
Oo, I like some of those studio backdrops...
 

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I think I would start with finding a back drop image (the kind you would use with a Green screen.) Then build your set with that back drop in mind. (Lighting is critical here) .You can use almost anything to make the green screen in the background. I have seen some people use green paper and it looks fine. Then place items in your set that match the back drop. Trying to match lighting the best you can. Once your set is complete, film what ever action you want. Then use a software like Camtasia Studio 8 to combine your back drop with your live action. Camtasia has many help videos that walk you through it. They also have a 30 day free trial which is plenty of time to combine the two different medias. You can even have a separate sound track if you want.
Camtasia is pretty easy to use (In my opinion). I have seen some 10 yo do some pretty cool stuff. I can't imagine what Spielberg would have come up with better. Hope this helps.
 

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Great suggestions. I actually have used Camtasia (a few years back) and have a small green screen already. I agree with lighting with every aspect of Halloween. Lighting is crucial. If things don't match or if you have the wrong lighting then the best props can look crappy. I will have to look at that software again once I find the time. Thanks!
 
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