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I always call where I live a little town, but it's really a small city of 40 000 people. A year or so ago, a group took over an old school building and reinvented it as a STEAM center and maker space. For a membership fee, you can visit and use the facilites and the tools they have there, and get a discount on classes that they run. I've watched it with interest, even stopping in once to get more information and they took me and my unruly children on a tour. I really loved the idea of something like that and was definitely interested in joining, but money has been tight. For my birthday my mother got me a membership. I did the mandatory safety training the next week, but weird schedules and their very limited hours meant that the first time I could return was Thursday. I tried several other times, but something always took prescidence.

One of the main objectives of the center is giving the community access to tools that would otherwise be too costly or too large a footprint for a typical household to own. Some are more mundane, like a drill press or a table saw, but the biggest draws are the tech machines. They have two different styles of 3D printers, a laser cutter, and a CNC, which is the one that is relevent here. For those who aren't obsessive tool nerds, a CNC is pretty much a computer driven woodworking router, which is similar to a dremel tool. You run a program and it cuts out or carves what you tell it to in the software on a variety of different materials. The rig they have is quite large, it's a Shapeoko XXL with a Makita motor that will accept bits from 1/8" to 1/4". The bed itself can accept peices to cut as large as 33" to a side and as thick as three inches, and according to the website costs over $1800, so this is not something that I could probably ever own, short of a lottery win, because of borh price and the fact it would take over my entire workshop.

In order to use it, you had to design your stone in a program that can save in SVG (I used inkscape - it's easy and free), then import into carbide create(free from the manufacturer's website) and set up the toolpaths, and then export into a gcode, which is what carbide motion needs to direct the router motor. You then have to load your workpeice along the marks so that the bottom left corner is lined up to where the machine expects it to be. Load your bit, changing the collet if necessary, and zero out the z axis on the top of your material. Then you turn on the router motor, and start the program.

Here's a short video of it carving part of the epitaph. I would lower your volume - there's not much to hear other than the roar of the motor and the shopvac, and they're quite loud. https://youtu.be/pPPid0pYXsY

That's the cliff notes version. There are a lot of moving parts and it's easy to forget something and muck up, and I made my share of them.

  1. forgetting to save the carbide create c2d file - needed to determine what bit I'd chosen and that was impossible to determine from the gcode.
  2. Forgetting that I don't tell the machine where the foam is, I have to line it up with marks on the wasteboard so it is where the machine expects it to be.
  3. getting impatient and not being precise about setting the z axis.
  4. not checking what material the program was assuming you were using and manually overriding the pass depth since there isn't a setting for foam.
  5. Not setting the PVC channels to raster. It outlined them, but did not remove the waste material as I was expecting it to.

To be fair, I made those mistakes on different peices, but it's left me with interesting results.

First, there's the off center epitaph:
Text Wall


Then there's the centered epitaph that is too faint, surrounded by a shallow groove that should have cut out the stone

Electronics Text Font Technology


and finally, the fully cut out stone back with outlined instead of rastered PVC channels.

Drawing Sketch Design Paper Wood


So i've decided to flip the peice that has the too-light epitaph, and put an entirely different epitaph on it, and take the bit with the off center
but well carved epitaph and make that into a stone of its own.

So - is this going to take the place of the dremel and jigsaw?

Well, I think the answer is no. For a variety of reasons. Cost is one. I discovered on the way out that only the first hour I was on the CNC was covered under my membership, and I had to pay separately for each hour after that, and the same goes with the laser cutter and the 3d printers. 1 hour on each per month included, and $5/hour after that. Yeah, it's not a huge amount of money, but when you add that to their very limited hours and the logistics of even getting there for me it doesn't make it worth it to continue my membership right now. Plus, when you get down to it, there's nothing that it did that I couldn't do. It does it more neatly than I do with a handheld tool, but not so much that I'm willing to pay money when I'm pretty broke just now. It was fun though, and I'm glad I did it, but I will let the membership lapse for now, and see where it goes. It's a new facility, it's hopefully going to grow and expand. Maybe when my finances are better and the girls are older and have their own projects to do we can get a family membership going, they have lots of things for kids, but for right now, it's not for me.
 

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Sounds like you learned most of what you need to know on how to run the CNC....I've been eye balling the Shapeoko XXL and the X-Carve for over a year now....If I got one, it would probably be the Shapeoko with the DeWalt router....I've already got a DeWalt router but as you said, the results aren't as perfect....I live in the middle of no where so no maker spaces here....If there was, I'd contemplate it for sure....I paid $700 for my 3d printer....That's a lot of $5/hours....Then again, like you said, having to make time to go to the space versus walking down to my basement and starting a print...That's worth a lot in convenience....I wouldn't go through the week and the weekend would probably be pretty busy...May not even have an opening for the machine that day so that would be bad too...We're having a strong year so almost a guaranteed bonus this fall....If it's as good as I suspect, I may seriously consider getting the Shapeoko XXL but I'd also have to get a dust collection system (probably the cheaper Harbor Freight variety) but that's still quite a chunk of change altogether....I haven't been interested in a laser cnc yet so until 3d laser scanners come down in price, I think I'd be set for tool toys....BTW, I believe you can download the Shapeoko software for free so you could work on your designs at home, save them to a usb and take it with you to the maker space...Would save time doing it that way....ZR
 

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Yes, both the inkscape I used to make the SVG files, and the carbide create that shapeoko uses to create toolpaths and the gcode are free, and I did make the files at home. I had a problem where I only saved the SVG file and the gcode file for one of them, and of course the c2d file was the one I needed to check something and I didn't have it, so I had to redo that one at the center. I was there three hours to cut one stone, but it was also my first run at it and had a host of errors, so I'd imagine I could get a stone done in much less time now that i know what I'm doing. The problem is logistics and hours more than money - the hours they're open are very limited period - a few hours in the evenings three nights a week, and 10-3 on saturday. I don't drive and it's across town, which makes the logistics of getting there difficult as well.

As far as dust collection, they just used a shopvac attachment that rides along with the motor, and it works rather well. If I'd done that at home, I'd have blue foam snow everywhere, but there was very little that it missed. It means, especially with how easily the foam tears you have to stay with it and make sure the power cord and the shop vac hose don't get hung up as the motor moves around, but it was very effective.
 

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I hear you on logistics....I think just not having it at home is a make or break deal for me...My sister had a 3d printer about a year before I did...She lives beside me and said I could use it anytime I wanted but not wanting to impede at a bad time or fear of breaking something kept me from trying it until I got my own....Now I can start a print anytime and it's great...I've seen the shop vac attachment you can get for the Shapeoko and I may still go that route if I get one since the noise the router puts off isn't going to be much worse with a shop vac running too....My concern was if your doing a long cut, the longevity a shop vac would hold up....I don't think they were designed to run hours at a time...Maybe I'm just being silly.....Seems like a lot of folks use that method and it doesn't seem to be a problem....It would be in my main building so dust collection would be a must!....I'm going to be making tombstones out of plywood for weight and durability from now on....No stakes in the ground for me....LOL....I want the CNC for perfect epitaphs on a plywood plaque that gets glued/stapled from the back onto the bigger plywood "stone"....Decorated with fiberglass add ons for lot's of detail....I've learned from experience, the longer the epitaph, the more impatient I get to finish it and mistakes happen....ZR
 
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