I just spent the last 2 hours reading that thread you mentioned regarding Chauvet foggers. I commend you and Otaku for taking them to task! Unfortunately, I only joined this forum this year, so I missed out on all the "fun" you had. I'm afraid to test my foggers because I'm pretty sure I know what the results would be. I have no time for people or companies who lack integrity. See my last post on the "Upgrading fogger" thread.