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    Default Flood: Gel vs. Colored

    Last year I used 4- 90 watt colored flood lights (3 blue, 1 red) for my 20'x20' cemetery. While adequately lighted, the colors, especially blue, were muted. I was thinking of going with 2 or 3- 150 watt PAR38 cans with gel frames. Cheap lights.com has them for $15 a piece w/bulb. Four color gels packs are $4.

    Will 150 watt gel give me more color "pop" over 90 watt colored?

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    A lot of the color depends on the quality of gels. I am considering going this route, as the red spotlight I used last year don't give the same color as the ones on the shelf this year.

    One word of advice:the higher the wattage of your bulb, the more washed out the color will be.

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    I am a huge fan of the Par cans with the use of Gels. I like being able to mix different gels to get the color I am looking for. the colors are deeper and richer than the colored floods. and your not limited to just a few colors. You dont have to run big high wattage in them to get good coverage.
    Why do they use Pars and Gels for stage performances and concerts???... Because they work great!!! LOL . I think you would be more than happy with the results.
    Crazy people Have More Fun!!

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    Thanks for the input. I think I'll order a few of the PAR38 cans and gel sheets. Easy enough to change bulb wattage.

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    Great post. I myself am in this same situation. I just bought (2) blue par38 100watt floods from the depot today but I know I need quality outside cans to place them. Where do you recommend I buy them? Maybe I end up taking back the colored floods and instead not makign the same mistake some of you already have?

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    I just found some at cheaplights.com. Not sure this is what I want/need yet. I am interested to learn what others have purchased and are satisfied with. See below: "112-UPLpar38x4 $76.88 Complete Up Lighting Package! 4 Low Profile bases and 4 PAR 38 Cans with flood bulb and gel sheet holder. Color gel sheets sold separately."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montco Haunt View Post
    I just found some at cheaplights.com. Not sure this is what I want/need yet. I am interested to learn what others have purchased and are satisfied with. See below: "112-UPLpar38x4 $76.88 Complete Up Lighting Package! 4 Low Profile bases and 4 PAR 38 Cans with flood bulb and gel sheet holder. Color gel sheets sold separately."
    That's exactly what I ended up getting from cheaplights.com. They're pressed steel cans with a ceramic socket. They're not really for outdoor use, but a properly sized o-ring at the base of the bulb, and drilling a drain hole should probably suffice. The gel frame sits about a half inch out in front (for cooling) and there is a considerable amount of white light leakage from this area. I posted another FYI thread about masking the front of the bulb with a 4" diameter piece of paper, and masking the threads too. I painted the bare areas with high temperature BBQ grill paint and that pretty much took care of the problem.

    I also ordered a four-gel pack (red, blue, and two different shades of green). Each 10"x10" sheet can be cut into four 5"x5" gels that fit the frames perfectly. I picked up a gel sampler pack from my local photography shop too that had some different shades of purple.

    The colors certainly are richer than a colored bulb. One thing that kind of bothers me is that the clear bulbs that came with the kit have a textured surface that is plainly visible. Of course that's against a white wall. Outside it would probably be much less noticeable with the different surfaces and edges breaking up the pattern. Diffusion gels are also available that would alleviate bulb patterns.

    All in all, I'm satisfied with them. $76 is kind of pricey for 4 flood lights, but they give one a lot of color options, and it's cheaper than LED's (electricity costs not withstanding, unless you're running them 24/7). If you do decide to get them, be forewarned; the little tripods that come with them do the job, but I had one fall completely apart. The plastic portion literally crumbled like old bak-a-lite. It was easily remedied with a couple of fender washers.

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    Thanks for the reply. I guess I will move on this tomorrrow. Shipping was pricey. $25. Total cost for these is now over $100. Do they not make an outdoor ground fixture for PAR38's? I don't understand why we have to modifiy what appears to be indoor fixtures? Just curious, what do you use these for? What is your placement of them? Have any pics of your setup?

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    why cant you use the outdoor Stake lighting units they sell ?

    also, I have been thinking of useing LED par 38.
    Those flood lights give off an incredible amount of heat ( always concerned me) , not to mention the energy cost.

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    Had the same concernes with the blue floodlights you get at Home Depot. Either they look like a washed out blue-green or, worse, the paint flakes off. Switched to LED last year and loved the saturated deep blues that the LED gives you. Got mine from Corey at Minion's Web.

    Here's what the graveyard looked like. There are four floods in the front:





    Before with those Home Depot floods:


 

 
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