Thanks, and you did give me a good idea. I can see myself hiding behind a big bush with our foggers running and Tiki's burning.....then suddently in the fog you hear a wing beat and see in the haze of fog a large black wing thing coming your way....how cool. Reminds me of the scene in JP3 on the swinging bridge when the large Dino bird shows up, or maybe a scene from the movie " When darkness falls " with the Tooth Fairy........dang I've seen too many movies huh....lol? Man I'm digging this !!!!